NASA’s Strategy Shifts From Commercial Subsidies to Nuclear Deep Space
Chamath Palihapitiya
Jason Calacanis
David Sacks
David Friedberg
Jared IsaacmanAll-In PodcastFriday, September 18, 202611 min readNASA Administrator Jared Isaacman argues that the agency’s $25 billion budget is sufficient but misallocated: NASA should buy commercial services where markets exist and concentrate its own resources on capabilities with no immediate business case, including lunar operations, nuclear power and propulsion, and deep-space science. He frames a sustained presence at the lunar south pole as both preparation for Mars and an urgent strategic test, arguing that delays would cede scarce operational ground to China and Russia.

NASA should stop subsidizing the familiar and build what comes next
Jared Isaacman argues that NASA’s central problem is not insufficient funding but a failure to concentrate its resources on work that only NASA can do. The agency has a $25 billion budget, he said, and should use it to execute demanding national missions: return astronauts to the Moon, establish a lunar base, develop nuclear power and propulsion, and extend human reach toward Mars.
That division of labor is the governing proposition. Commercial launch, communications, and Earth observation have become real markets in which NASA can be one customer among many. Where industry can build and sell a service, Isaacman wants NASA to buy capacity, supply instruments when necessary, and focus on the next constraint. The agency should not function as a procurement organization or, in his phrase, a venture capitalist for companies seeking new markets. Its role is to take on technically difficult capabilities with strategic value and no immediate business case.
Isaacman frames the change as necessary both because of institutional drift and because space is now an arena of great-power competition. He contrasts the roughly 65 years from the Wright brothers’ first flight to Apollo 11 with the 57 years since that landing, a period whose pace of progress he calls uninspiring despite advances in AI, robotics, quantum technology, additive manufacturing, fusion, biotech, and autonomous systems.
His diagnosis of NASA’s recent history is that programs were made to accommodate too many constituencies. Partnerships were pursued for their own sake; resources were spread across congressional districts; programs were structured to survive administrations even when they became too expensive to succeed. He says the result was lost or outsourced core competencies and work that took years when it should have taken months.
He cited Orion’s inability to enter low lunar orbit in the manner of Apollo spacecraft, and said NASA’s current Moon rocket is less efficient than Saturn V at converting launch mass into lunar-bound payload. More time elapsed between Artemis I and Artemis II than it took to fly all 12 Gemini missions six decades earlier, he said. He also cited a Mars sample-return effort canceled after projected costs rose above those of an aircraft carrier.
Isaacman does not place the blame on NASA’s workforce. Asked about the agency he inherited, he described its employees as among the country’s best technical talent, while saying that “everybody was trying to run NASA other than the people themselves that show up to work there.” His stated correction is to align NASA with President Trump’s national space policy, focus its resources, and restore the agency’s ability to perform demanding technical work itself.
NASA does not have a top line problem. Like, we are bad capital allocators and have been for a long time.
The same allocation logic shapes his view of NASA’s workforce. He said the agency accepts roughly 1% of applicants to its pathway internship program, which can lead to a guaranteed job, so recruitment is not initially the constraint. Retention is. NASA will lose people if it asks them to reproduce what SpaceX, Blue Origin, Rocket Lab, Stoke, ULA, and other companies already do, he said. Its technical staff need work that is distinctive to the agency: what he calls the “Nuclear NASA,” alongside radical flight-test programs and deep-space science.
Aeronautics is one example. Isaacman objected to directing NASA money toward marginal fuel-efficiency improvements in engines that are already decades old and that established contractors can improve for competitive reasons. He wants NASA to return to radical airframe and propulsion designs, building from the X-59’s quiet-supersonic-flight research into a broader X-plane portfolio. NASA, he said, contributed foundational technologies such as fly-by-wire and thrust vectoring; its proper role is again to push farther ahead of established commercial demand.
The lunar south pole is a test site with limited room for error
The Moon is not, in Isaacman’s account, primarily a destination whose commercial value NASA can guarantee. It is a nearby proving ground—three days away—for learning the operational skills a Mars mission will require. That includes power, spacesuits, habitation modules, logistics, communications, mobility, surface improvement, robotics, and in-situ resource utilization and manufacturing.
David Friedberg asked whether the Moon could sustain an economy of its own. Isaacman’s answer was explicitly conditional. NASA intends to create a substantial demand signal: dozens of landers and rovers over four years, alongside experiments intended to help industry identify potential value in lunar regolith. But he would not promise a viable lunar economy. It remains expensive to reach the Moon and expensive to extract resources there. NASA’s immediate purpose is to master the capabilities for Mars, pursue lunar science, and potentially place radio telescopes on the far side.
The lunar south pole is central because permanently shadowed craters may hold water ice, while nearby crater cliffs can offer near-continuous solar exposure. Isaacman gave the geography a deliberately stark scale: the Moon’s surface is roughly the size of Africa, but the relevant south-pole region is more like Washington, D.C. Only a limited number of locations combine useful ice deposits, solar access, and feasible landing conditions.
Those locations are also operationally vulnerable. A large lander descending to the surface could blast debris outward and create a crater of its own. Isaacman therefore treats the available sites as scarce infrastructure positions rather than merely symbolic terrain.
NASA’s proposed Promise rover is meant to prospect within that environment. Isaacman described Promise as a radioisotope-powered rover, about the size of a Jeep, built as a spare around hardware related to the Perseverance and Curiosity Mars rovers. It would use plutonium-238 already decaying in storage to enter permanently shadowed regions where most other equipment, he said, would fail. He presented the mission as a productive use of hardware and material for which taxpayers have largely already paid.
The proposed lunar sequence is intended to replace one-off showcase missions with repeated operations. Isaacman said Artemis III, already under assembly, is intended to undergo a tanking test at Launch Complex 39B before year-end. Its planned summer 2027 mission would launch on SLS into low Earth orbit and rendezvous with lander test vehicles from Blue Origin and SpaceX, testing the interoperability needed for a multi-launch campaign. That work would inform uncrewed test landings and Artemis IV, which he said would return American astronauts to the lunar surface in 2028.
- Before year-endIsaacman says Artemis III is to roll out to Launch Complex 39B for a tanking test.
- Summer 2027Isaacman says Artemis III will launch on SLS, rendezvous with Blue Origin and SpaceX lander test vehicles, and test multi-launch interoperability.
- 2028Isaacman says Artemis IV will return American astronauts to the lunar surface and begin establishing a continuing lunar presence.
- 2028NASA plans to launch SR-1 Freedom, a proposed 100-kilowatt fission-powered Mars flyby mission that would release the SkyFall helicopter payload.
Isaacman’s proposed moon base is a campaign of near-monthly missions rather than a single arrival. NASA would test autonomous and crewed mobility, surface operations, logistics, habitability, power, communications, and science instruments while learning how to survive at the south pole. Astronauts remain important to him as symbols of exploration, but he said sending them outside in that environment should be among the last steps in building a functioning base; robotics should do much of the hazardous work.
Mars requires solving the return trip, not merely the outbound one
Chamath Palihapitiya asked whether propulsion and thrust are the principal technologies needed to make Mars realistic. Isaacman’s answer separates the journey to Mars from the harder problem of returning from it.
Chemical propulsion, including systems such as Starship, can get astronauts to Mars, he said. Human habitability is not a wholly new problem, and NASA can put large amounts of mass on the Martian surface through chemical architectures. But a conventional round trip would require creating return propellant on Mars. One possible approach would require an extensive industrial system: robots, very large solar arrays, and machinery that continues operating through dust storms while producing fuel. Isaacman’s point is not that such an approach is impossible, but that it is difficult even under Earth’s atmosphere and gravity.
His proposed long-term alternative is a chemically augmented nuclear-electric transfer vehicle. Rather than depending on solar generation or locally manufactured chemical propellant, such a vehicle would use a reactor to generate electricity and power scaled-up electric thrusters. It could be refueled with krypton or xenon after returning to Earth, rather than relying on fuel production at the Martian surface.
The propulsion concept builds on the Hall and ion thrusters already used by satellites. Electricity ionizes krypton or xenon, then electromagnetic forces accelerate the propellant out of the engine. That produces highly efficient, high-velocity exhaust, though with low thrust. Solar power is sufficient for many near-Earth uses, Isaacman explained, but becomes far less effective farther from the Sun. A nuclear reactor would provide the electricity needed to retain the same basic propulsion approach deeper in the solar system.
He described the relevant engineering agenda as high-temperature reactor materials, improved power conversion, reduced radiator mass, and more powerful electric thrusters. A 100-kilowatt reactor could eventually scale to 250 kilowatts or even megawatt-class systems, he suggested. Nuclear systems are therefore his test case for the agency he wants: hardware with no clear commercial rationale today, but which he believes could change the feasible architecture for Mars and outer-solar-system missions.
SR-1 Freedom is planned, he said, as a 100-kilowatt fission-powered spacecraft launching in 2028. It would transit Mars and release SkyFall, a payload of three Ingenuity-class helicopters carrying ground-penetrating radar. The on-screen mission animation showed the helicopters flying in parallel over the Martian surface, projecting radar beneath them to map resources, identify ice deposits, and help select future human landing sites. Isaacman said the spacecraft could launch in 2028 and the helicopters were expected to arrive around a year later, while noting that mission trades were still in progress.
The same power and propulsion systems would have uses beyond Mars. Isaacman pointed to Enceladus, Europa, and Titan as destinations where oceans and complex chemistry make deeper-solar-system science compelling. When Palihapitiya suggested that some of those worlds could still hold life, Isaacman did not extend the claim: “We don’t know.”
Science spending follows the same allocation logic. Isaacman estimated that science accounts for about one-third of NASA’s budget. Commercial launch, observation, and communications can support agriculture, Earth science, weather forecasting, wildfire and disaster response, and national-security uses. NASA can buy or license those capabilities, he said, freeing resources for missions companies are unlikely to pursue alone.
Among those missions are Dragonfly, the nuclear-powered octocopter intended for Titan; Europa Clipper’s planned arrival at Jupiter’s icy moon in 2030; the Roman telescope’s wide-field instrument and coronagraph; NEO Surveyor’s search for asteroids and comets that could threaten Earth; and future observatories intended to identify habitable planets around other stars. Isaacman said he would generally prioritize launching missions that obtain new data over directly funding researchers, on the premise that researchers at institutions around the country will analyze the data once it exists.
The contest for the south pole is a test of national capability
Jared Isaacman sees the present competition as a second space race whose outcome would have consequences beyond prestige. The scarce terrain at the lunar south pole turns schedule into strategy: a country that establishes itself at the craters with water ice and reliable solar access is not simply making a symbolic landing, but securing the place from which it can learn the operating practices required for a longer-term presence and eventual Mars missions.
China and Russia make that timetable urgent in Isaacman’s framing. He said China had been expected to send a mission toward Shackleton Crater, though he did not claim to know whether its apparent delay was mechanical, weather-related, or strategic. He expects China and Russia to pursue a fission-powered south-pole base, interact with water ice, and use the Moon to develop capabilities for Mars. The limited “parking spots,” he argues, are precisely why delay has a geopolitical cost.
China intends to put astronauts on the Moon by 2030, Isaacman said, and has what he called a “very achievable” two-launch architecture, along with the national will and capabilities to execute it. If the United States has not returned after decades of promises and more than $100 billion invested, he said, allies, adversaries, and countries choosing technologies, standards, and security partnerships will draw conclusions about American competence and leadership.
The bottom line is the Chinese are extremely good in space right now. You couple that with some Russian capabilities on nuclear power, they will return to the moon, they will get to the moon, and they will build a base on the South Pole.
Asked about Russia’s role, Isaacman gave a qualified answer. He noted the Soviet and Russian program’s historic achievements and ongoing cooperation with the United States on the International Space Station, while acknowledging that Russia’s conflict has redirected its resources. China, however, is the principal rival in his account. It does not have the reusable-launch capability of SpaceX and other American companies, he said, but the hardware it places in space is capable, even when it reaches orbit through hypergolic systems he compared with older Titan II-era rockets.
For Isaacman, the answer is not a generic call to move faster. It is an execution test with concrete requirements: Artemis III must establish the interoperability of a multi-launch architecture; uncrewed landings must follow; Artemis IV must return astronauts to the surface in 2028; and the repeated missions of a moon-base campaign must turn a landing into a continuing operational presence. Those are the steps by which NASA could show that it can reach the south pole, operate there, and retain the initiative before China’s stated 2030 target.
SpaceX is indispensable to that effort, Isaacman said. NASA relies on it to transport astronauts to and from the International Space Station, return science experiments, and launch major missions including the Roman telescope on Falcon Heavy. Without those capabilities, he said, the United States would be seriously challenged in the “high ground” of space. But commercial launch capacity alone does not answer the strategic challenge he identifies. His case is that NASA must use that capacity to execute the missions—lunar operations, nuclear systems, and deep-space exploration—that establish a durable American position.

