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Making It Is Not Enough: Success Requires Learning How to Maintain It

Bugzy MaloneChris WilliamsonChris WilliamsonMonday, November 9, 202629 min read

British rapper and actor Bugzy Malone argues that making it is only the start: maintaining success means continuing to work on yourself and deciding what ambition is for. In a conversation with Chris Williamson, Malone says pain and childhood adversity shaped him but need not determine who he becomes; facing them requires vulnerability, self-accountability and a willingness to change. He sees the next stage not as accumulating more, but as building a life and body of work he can sustain.

Success begins a second job: learning how to keep what you built

Bugzy Malone distinguishes making it from maintaining it. The first is advertised: the clothes, cars and lifestyle that seem to mark arrival. The second receives less attention. Reaching a goal does not mean you can stop working on yourself, he says. People can rise quickly, plateau and fall away when they are unprepared for the work of sustaining success. The promise that you can reach the top and then relax leaves out what comes after: continuing to be the best version of yourself, rather than treating arrival as a finish line.

Chris Williamson points to an imbalance in the advice people seek. Far more people are trying to climb than trying to maintain their position, so much of the guidance available concerns getting to the top. It says less about the cost of staying there—or what it means to have reached a peak and then lost it. Williamson wonders whether the person who never made it or the person who once had success and let it go faces the more painful reckoning.

For Malone, the question is not only about career. He says he has “everything I ever wanted and more,” and has started to question the numbers and material milestones people treat as proof of success. A person can reach the life they wanted and still be drawn into wanting more: another target, another display, another round of approval. That can happen because they are trying to impress other people, or because they have built an identity around being someone who never quits. Malone sees that identity as a potential trap: “I don’t think any of that’s real. I think it’s an insecurity that you must overcome.”

He is not saying that ambition or persistence are useless. The problem, as he describes it, is when a person becomes so identified with a particular goal that they can no longer ask whether it still matters. They may keep chasing a number or a set of possessions because stopping would seem to contradict the identity they have built around not quitting. A goal can be real and hard-won, while the belief that it must define the rest of a person’s life is an insecurity rather than a necessity.

The distinction became a live question while Malone was making Make It Maintain It, Part One. He says he told himself that if he could not be more vulnerable and honest than before, and make work of higher quality, he would not make the album. He describes the decision as a serious condition he set for himself, not a guarantee that he would meet it. The process required him to go back through his own life and ask what he could say that he had not said before. In looking back at the beginning of his life, he says, he came to understand that he had already got more than he once wanted. That recognition redirected his thinking from accumulating more toward what he wanted to make and sustain.

That accounting includes loss. Malone describes moving from poverty and dysfunction toward stability and affluence as a kind of death: parts of himself, and a life he had identified with, had to be left behind. “Death is always violent,” he says. A change does not happen gently just because the new life is better in material terms. There can be grief for the people and relationships that belonged to the old one.

He connects that grief to the death of a family member whose drinking and drug use had damaged their relationship. As a boy, Malone looked up to him and wanted to be like him. Later, after a fallout, Malone could see where his relative’s life was heading and began grieving the relationship before the death itself. Williamson calls this a form of anticipatory grief: seeing a loss approaching while still living through the relationship.

Williamson relates the experience to people whose decline or death appears foreseeable, including a friend of his who died by suicide. He describes the guilt that can follow: if others could see what was coming, why could they not intervene? Malone’s response is that there are limits to what one person can do. He can try to be a good influence, but he cannot make an alcoholic stop drinking or prevent another person from taking their own life. “I’m just a man,” he says. “I’m not God.”

That limit does not make the losses painless. It changes where Malone puts responsibility. People may come to him for advice and inspiration, and he feels a responsibility to take his own life seriously, but he cannot live someone else’s life for them. “There’s only so much externally I can do,” he says. “So to me it feels like the journey is always an internal one.” His answer is not that people should stop caring or trying to help; it is that care does not give him control over another person’s choices.

Malone’s account of maintenance reaches beyond career. He wants to keep his body functional and his mind open to learning; he wants to build a family and give his children opportunities to live a solid life. Financial freedom matters as a means to that end, not as an endless score. The amount needed will differ from person to person. Once someone can provide for themselves and their family, he says, they should be able to recognize that they have reached a meaningful threshold and move on with life.

He uses the image of a kingdom to describe the difference between getting what you want and keeping it. Taking a kingdom, in his metaphor, is a matter of force; maintaining it requires discipline and consistency. The question is whether the next pursuit is still meaningful, or whether the habit of striving has become a substitute for deciding what enough looks like.

Adversity can shape a person without defining who they become

Malone describes his childhood as complex rather than reducible to a single event. He was growing up amid crime, deaths, murders and dysfunctional adults, while also moving through the ordinary confusion of becoming a teenager and then a man. Those experiences made it difficult to feel that he belonged in ordinary society. He had seen things that seemed to contradict what other people regarded as normal.

As a child, he was drawn to the idea of being a villain for a living because the most impressive person he could see was a well-paid criminal. He was looking for a job description, and that world appeared to offer an example of one. Malone compares discovering it to finding the hidden society in Harry Potter: a separate place with its own rules, just beyond the ordinary world.

His mother, he says, tried to shield him from it. But the events arrived anyway, without explanation. A man had been murdered in his uncle’s house, where Malone stayed on weekends. He was a child, and nobody sat him down to explain what had happened. He was simply exposed to it. Then he would go to a friend’s house and notice that the family spoke differently about one another. He began to understand that other people’s homes did not work like his. “You’re not fitting in nowhere,” he says.

Williamson observes that children absorb the relationships around them without having the perspective to know those relationships are not universal. A child may take a particular kind of love, conflict, abandonment or belonging as simply how life works. Malone agrees that people often have to educate themselves later about what they were shown. Someone raised around violence may know it is wrong and still struggle with the idea that it is part of their inheritance. They may feel shame about the person who taught them how to behave, or fear that the example has already determined who they will be.

Malone’s answer is to find other examples. His musical motto, “be inspired,” means looking at people who are responsible and accountable, learning from what they do, and separating those examples from the ones that hurt you. “They don’t define you,” he says. The task is not to deny what happened or pretend it had no influence; it is to refuse to treat that influence as destiny.

Williamson names some of the ways reflection can go wrong. A person can decide that what happened makes them a victim, entitles them to bitterness, or means they will repeat the same behavior. They can also build their entire identity around an injury and treat it as an explanation for what they cannot do. Facing childhood does not automatically resolve it. It can create new interpretations, and some of those interpretations can become constraints of their own.

Malone understands adversity through the analogy of a boxing coach. A trainer may put a boxer into a spar with someone who can beat him because the challenge will develop skills he needs later. Malone recalls his coach, Brian Hughes, putting him in the ring with an older, better boxer. Malone could not imagine being capable of competing. After a few rounds of getting beaten, Hughes reminded him of an uppercut they had practiced: jab, step back, uppercut. Malone followed the instruction, landed the punch, and the spar ended.

He remembers that as a lesson about belief. His coach saw an ability in him that he could not see in himself. It took years for Malone to understand that he could not rely forever on someone else’s confidence in him. The coach’s belief helped him recognize a possibility; he still had to learn to carry belief and faith for himself.

That distinction surfaces when Williamson suggests that people should seek friends who believe in them more than they believe in themselves. Malone disagrees with making outside belief the answer. For him, the harder path is removing the “crutches” of other people’s opinions and becoming self-reliant. Someone may say they believe in you and still doubt you privately, he says. Depending on that external confidence leaves your own relationship to your ability unresolved.

There is a tension here with the story of Hughes, whose belief mattered precisely because Malone could not yet see what the coach saw. Malone does not deny the importance of that help. His emphasis is on what he thinks a person must eventually do with it: take the lesson in, then develop a capacity to act without depending on someone else to provide confidence at every step. Support can make a possibility visible; it cannot do the whole journey for you.

He also argues that growing up close to violence and chaos can make some forms of human self-interest easier to recognize. He talks about the darkness in human nature as something society tries to restrain and conceal, not as proof that everyone is good underneath. People learn rules and manners, Malone says, but that does not mean the darker impulses have disappeared. Williamson describes the appeal of stories about criminals and other extreme figures as a sense that those people are acting without the restraint or concealment expected in ordinary life.

Malone connects that outlook to his experience of freedom outside conventional institutions. He says he spent time outside school when others were taking exams and outside work at the stage when others were beginning their first jobs. He believes that experience gave him freedom of thought, but he also distinguishes freedom from a lack of discipline. In his view, a person can develop their own morals and principles rather than relying only on rules imposed from outside.

That wariness also shapes how he describes the music business. Malone says people he knew in criminal settings could be more direct and more practiced in deception than the people he later met in corporate roles. He contrasts them with label representatives who might see themselves as honest in their private lives while accepting a job in which they try to take more from an artist than they give. Williamson calls this “unsophisticated deception.” Malone says he found it difficult to accept the compartmentalization: treating a dishonest act as acceptable because it is part of a job, while thinking of oneself as honest elsewhere.

That helped shape his decision to remain independent. Malone says staying independent and climbing the ladder himself became his path. His criticism is not simply that people in suits are criminals; it is that a person can excuse conduct by separating it from the rest of their identity. He says his experience made those excuses easy for him to spot and difficult for him to live with.

The same suspicion informs his discussion of discrediting people who change. Someone who has left a dark environment and adopted different principles may be told that their past is not real, or that they no longer have the right to speak about it. Malone thinks this can happen to anyone who no longer identifies as a victim. People may wonder how someone else managed to change, then dismiss that person’s progress rather than consider what it would require of them.

Williamson describes that as an effort to close the gap. When someone from a similar background succeeds, others can avoid the uncomfortable comparison by saying they were lucky, favored, dishonest or not talented. He offers examples from online subcultures and from people who knew someone before that person became a professional athlete. Dismissing another person’s progress makes it easier not to ask what could be learned from the path they took. Williamson acknowledges that luck, nepotism and unfairness can matter, but argues that people may lean on those explanations more readily than they should.

Malone’s proposed alternative is “ruthless accountability.” He says his work can reach a young listener who is not yet interested in healing but can still take in the instruction to be inspired. That listener might look at a professional footballer and admit that, when the other person was training, stretching and studying the game, they were not. The admission may be uncomfortable, but it gives them a chance to choose something else and try again. Accountability, in Malone’s account, tells the truth about what happened so that a next choice becomes possible.

Vulnerability means going into the tunnel without knowing what waits there

Malone does not describe vulnerability as a pleasant act of disclosure. He compares it to approaching a large man who is standing ready to punch you. The instinct is to stay away because you expect it to hurt; the work is to get closer and face the fight. In his own case, he says, hopelessness eventually left him too tired to keep running from the truth about himself. He had to become open to embarrassment and see himself less glamorously than he might have preferred.

Making the album brought that problem into focus. Malone says he had to go further than he had before in saying what was true about his life. He did not want to make a record that merely repeated what people already expected from him. He set a test for himself: greater honesty and vulnerability, alongside better work. Looking directly at his own experience also meant seeing that he was “just a human being.” The work, consistency and ability to stand back up after being knocked down had mattered, but those results did not make him superior to other people.

He learned, he says, that his success had come from the work rather than from being someone special. Earlier in his career, he had thought highly of himself as he tried to understand how his success had happened. Later, he could look at the same history and recognize both the effort and his ordinary humanity. He was not above people because his results had arrived sooner than theirs.

The process, as he describes it, was shaped by solitude. While making the record, he used the image of a tunnel between a person’s starting point and the place they want to reach. At first, the destination is visible and the person believes they can make the journey. Others stay behind, either because they do not want to enter the tunnel or because they think it is too dark. Partway through, the traveler can no longer see the light at either end. They are moving through uncertainty, over the remains of people who tried and failed before them, without knowing whether their own effort will work.

At that point, Malone says, a person can freeze or keep moving. The tunnel also means losing contact with the familiar world and with people who understand where you started. People who did not enter may ridicule you from outside it. The image carries both risk and separation: it does not promise that the destination is guaranteed, and it does not make the period of isolation easy. For Malone, that isolation made it harder to hide from his insecurities and fears.

You can hide for as long as you want, but at some point you’ve got to come out of the house. At some point you’ve got to face whatever it is that you find scary.
Bugzy Malone · Source

The tunnel is not a guarantee of visible progress. Malone compares effort to a seed growing underground: from above, nothing appears to be happening, but the seed may already have started to sprout. Some of the hardest stretches, he says, are the ones where a person is trying to become someone different and cannot yet see the result. The apparent lack of change is not proof that nothing is developing.

He connects the same idea to a tour Williamson has recently completed. A person may make progress on a particular night without seeing what it adds up to. Malone says he calls his album Make It Maintain It, Part One because he expects eventually to make a second part, though he thinks he may no longer be interested in being a rapper by then. He has not promoted the current album heavily, and he is already pursuing other work. For him, that is part of understanding progress as something that can continue beneath the surface of the visible project.

His account of fear is personal and more complicated than a message to confront everything. At 11, he says, he was stabbed in the leg with a screwdriver after going to an estate to meet friends. He hid his bloodied trousers from his mother. In the weeks and months afterward, he wanted to stay inside rather than go out with his friends. The event left him with fear, pain and embarrassment. Some of the people who had invited him out were there; they picked up his bike and smashed it.

Malone says that period led him into a very dark place, including suicidal thoughts and attempts. Eventually, he decided to face the fear by having a fair fight with the person who had stabbed him, on that person’s estate. Malone says he won. The meaning he took from it was that hiding could last only so long: at some point he had to come out of the house and face what he had been avoiding.

He also qualifies his account: fear still wins sometimes, and not every fight has to happen now. Some fights can wait; others are imminent. He describes having to judge which is which, rather than treating confrontation as the answer to every fear. The point he draws from his own experience is that some avoided situations eventually have to be faced, while timing and judgment still matter.

Malone sees pain as a powerful teacher, in part because the nervous system is difficult not to affect with pain. He illustrates the point with a cold night and a punch: after being hit for disrespecting someone, a person may behave differently the next time they meet someone who appears dangerous. He understands pain as one of the ways God teaches, though he describes it as one of the most impactful teachers rather than offering it as the only one.

The story also shows how adversity can teach the wrong lesson. Malone says his stepfather beat him when he was 11, an experience that had a profound effect. Looking back as an adult, he came to understand why he had been drawn to trouble and why he could want to inflict pain on others. The experience had hurt and humiliated him. When he saw someone else in a similar position, he could think: I went through it, so you should be able to as well. In the life he expected to lead as a criminal, that response could make him seem useful.

Later, he began to recognize that this was a way of protecting himself in the environment he had been in, not the person he wanted to become. He says he had to understand that he was capable of being loving, kind and respectful. The danger was that life could make him into someone he would not be able to stand by. He had met people in jail who were beginning to mature out of the mindsets that had led them there, but whose actions had already carried consequences they could not reverse.

Malone does not describe that change as a clean break from the past. He says there was a time when he was exposed to violence regularly and took pleasure in inflicting pain. If a friend had trouble with someone, he might take it upon himself to retaliate. He links that impulse to being beaten and humiliated himself: seeing someone else on the floor could bring up the thought that they should endure what he had endured.

He identifies this period as one of the times he felt most uncertain—not because he lacked a plan, but because he was losing trust in his own mind and his ability to control his impulses. He was making choices he felt he would not ordinarily make, and worried about becoming addicted to that behavior. With maturity, he could look back and understand how earlier violence had shaped what he thought was acceptable. The work was to recognize that response as learned, rather than treat it as the person he had to remain.

That is one reason Malone began talking about depression and emotion in his music early in his career. His first mixtapes dealt with quitting boxing and coming to terms with being depressed. He learned to look back at what had happened and say that it was sad, rather than treating sadness as something he had to convert into anger. He did not have to pretend an event had not hurt him in order to move forward.

Malone does not present healing as a completed task. He describes himself as still on the journey, and says he has also been irresponsible and unaccountable. His sense of security now comes partly from what he can do: look after himself, choose where he wants to live, design a home and provide for a family. He sees financial freedom as important to that security, but says the exact number is not the point. What matters is reaching the level that allows a person to look after themselves and move on with life.

He also thinks it is possible to find beauty in a difficult period while it is happening, rather than only afterward. Williamson quotes a line he attributes to a letter from Sigmund Freud to Carl Jung: “One day, in retrospect, the years of struggle will strike you as most beautiful.” Malone says the harder task is to be present enough to see something of that beauty in the midst of the tunnel and the chaos. It is a difficult place to be, but after enduring enough, he has sometimes been able to accept that the present hardship is part of his path and that it will pass. He says that in those instances he has come back stronger.

Resentment can start the climb, but it cannot sustain the life

Ambition often begins with a grievance. Williamson describes the early fuel as wanting to prove people wrong, gain recognition, win respect from people you respect, or escape dependence. That energy can be powerful, but he asks whether it can sustain a person’s pursuit of mastery after the original resentment has been spent.

Malone recognizes the pattern in himself. He says fear and antagonism can create energy: a threatening person, a rival or the prospect of a fight can make someone do the extra run, go to bed early, read and prepare. In his earlier life, the possibility of danger could make him take earning money more seriously. In boxing, hearing that a fight had been arranged could make the consequences feel immediate.

The same mechanism can persist after the original stakes have faded. Malone says he has sometimes looked at people who might have a problem with him and used the possibility to provoke himself. He could remind himself that someone might want trouble and become more focused and physically prepared as a result. The rivalries may exist, he says, but they are no longer as important as they once were. He could still reopen that part of his mind and use it as fuel.

Williamson worries about manufacturing enemies just to keep that fuel available. Malone agrees that he has been guilty of trying to initiate the production of toxic fuel. It can work, he says, but it also makes a person dependent on something outside themselves. A professional career can blur the lines of what a person is trying to prove, so he has sometimes used old rivalries to make the stakes feel real again.

The alternative, in Malone’s account, requires a season of isolation. A person has to find out whether they can keep going without the enemy, the audience or the friends who provide reassurance. He wants to reach a point where he does not need a negative person to get him to train or prepare. That does not mean the earlier fuel never worked; it means he does not want it to remain the only source of energy.

For him, that source of energy is love. As a 12-year-old surrounded by dysfunction, he watched a documentary about Muhammad Ali and George Foreman’s “Rumble in the Jungle” and found inspiration in it. He remembers looking for examples that could show him a different way to live. He believes there are young people in circumstances like his who may draw strength from what he does next. That gives him a reason to keep working that does not depend on proving a rival wrong. If he falls away, he says, he may let down someone who is looking for a way through.

Love, for Malone, also requires limits. He says he is willing to leave people behind, regardless of their title, if they refuse accountability, lie or behave disrespectfully. At times he has worried that this willingness means he has gone cold. But he distinguishes between rejecting people and rejecting patterns that he does not want in his life.

Williamson offers an analogy: when someone has grown up around harmful behavior, familiar patterns can trigger a strong response, as if a psychological immune system were warning them away from a world they do not want to return to. Malone agrees that the reaction can go in two directions. Sometimes it is like an airbag deploying too early. As a person matures, he says, they can assess what they are walking into and set a boundary deliberately rather than simply react.

He calls that responsibility. A person may share many traits with someone and still decide that one behavior crosses a line. Malone uses the example of a friend who cheats on a partner. He does not claim to be perfect or to judge from outside human dysfunction. But he asks how he can trust what the friend says if the friend lies to the person closest to him. The choice to step away is part of deciding what kind of person he wants to become.

He links this to the way people reveal themselves when they gossip. Williamson points out that even if the person being discussed never hears the gossip, the person listening learns that the speaker talks behind people’s backs. Malone adds that some people avoid gossip because it conflicts with their moral code. Those are the people he gravitates toward: people he sees as accountable and responsible. He does not claim to have always been that person. He says he has been irresponsible, too, and treats that as part of growing up rather than evidence that the work is finished.

That same emphasis on responsibility shapes how Malone thinks about masculinity. He says he takes joy in helping people and offering protection where he can. He mentions a young autistic fan whose father was in jail and says he finds meaning in being helpful to someone in that situation. He sees this as part of what a man can do: not simply acquire status, but become someone who can serve.

He does not dismiss money in making that argument. Asked how he can rap about expensive cars while telling young people that money is not the point, Malone says he needs to become financially free within the brand he has built. He owns the rights to his music and has run his record label independently. At one point, he says, the business had about 1.3 million in staff costs alone. For him, displaying success can show other artists that they can build something independently rather than rely entirely on the industry to make it happen.

At the same time, he acknowledges that rap involves performance and that he has been a show-off. When he first started earning money, he bought things such as a superbike and turned up at parties to display them. He has had to humble himself about that. Outside the role and its public image, he says, he is simple and does not need much. The display has been part of the job he chose; it is not the whole account of what he values.

The next stage is to choose what success is for

Malone’s view of maintenance depends on not confusing a successful career with a permanent identity. He says rap is a young man’s sport, often organized around coming up and describing a passage out of dysfunction. An artist may first tell people where they came from, then talk about money, cars and what they bought. The next question—what happens after that?—is less documented in the British rap scene, in his view.

That question is part of what he wants Make It Maintain It to address. He says he has stayed in rap longer than he might have because storytelling is a gift he has been given. But he thinks artists need to take the transition seriously. A person who has built a career around youth, performance and ambition may need a different kind of work as life changes. He points to boxers and footballers who do not diversify and later struggle, including people who gain weight, develop addictions or become unhappy. For Malone, the risk is not just professional decline; it is reaching the end of a role without having taken the next stage seriously.

He is interested in acting and says he sees transferable skills. In discussing the opportunity, he says he is joining The Gentlemen series 3, a project connected to Guy Ritchie, whose films had captured his attention before he entered the media. Later, in the closing exchange, he refers to The Gentlemen season 2. The source gives both descriptions, so the exact season label is unclear. What is clear from Malone’s account is that he is taking acting seriously: he says he shaved his head for the role and wants to give the acting game everything he has.

Malone says he has not spoken with Ritchie about the career comparison he is making, but he sees a pattern in how creative work can develop. Early releases may have a freedom that later becomes harder to access, as responsibility, fame and audience expectations accumulate. An artist may start catering to the audience or believe they are smarter than they are. The work can still be solid without being a true representation of the artist.

Williamson describes mastery as a process of keeping the experience while shedding what has grown around the original impulse: expectation, attention and the pressure to repeat earlier success. He imagines an artist first producing raw, unrefined work, then gaining experience and recognition, and eventually having to remove the “barnacles” of outside expectation to recover a more direct connection to the work. Malone calls it “the journey of greatness.” He thinks a person may have to move through those pressures and return to a more honest relationship with the craft.

He connects this idea to artists he studies, including Leonardo da Vinci and Vincent van Gogh. On the album, he says, a line in his track “Da Vinci” compares the layers of paint in the Mona Lisa to layers of pain. He is interested in the accumulated thinking behind an artwork, not only in its surface. He says he studies some subjects repeatedly, including Van Gogh, until he has taken what he can from them. In his view, people often want to learn from successful artists without doing the repetition that learning requires.

Malone’s interest in Da Vinci is part of a wider habit of self-education. He recalls being 16 and in solitary confinement, dreaming that an earthquake was bringing the world down while he was locked in a room and nobody came to let him out. At the time, he was aware that other young people were taking their GCSEs while his household was falling apart and he could not focus on school. His response was to decide he would educate himself in areas that interested him.

He says he has since realized that he can learn things he is not naturally interested in, too, although they take more effort and stamina. His interest in Renaissance art and history is more immediate. He describes looking back to understand how systems were formed and what kind of people put them in place. That curiosity led him to learn about coats of arms: how they could represent a king’s history and how, in the account he gives, a coat of arms could change what happened to a captured person after a battle. He is interested in the gap between the polished account of history and the force and contingency behind power.

Malone connects this self-education to the lives he hopes to build. He wants to be educated enough to stand by what he says, to raise children, and to become the kind of husband he wants to be. He also thinks people who left school without the same formal education may have more to offer than they assume, if they pursue knowledge on their own terms. He says that if he were put back in a room with the students who got high grades while he was in jail, he might now be more sophisticated than they were in some areas—not because formal education is worthless, but because he has gone after details and applications that matter to him.

When he talks about Van Gogh, Malone emphasizes the artist’s writing and outlook as well as the paintings. He describes how Van Gogh’s brother died after him and his brother’s wife, Jo, brought the letters between the brothers into the world. In Malone’s account, those letters helped people understand the philosophy behind Van Gogh’s work and helped make the paintings sell. The audience’s understanding of the work changed when it could see more of the artist’s thinking.

He also recalls a scene from At Eternity’s Gate in which a priest questions Van Gogh about whether God made him a painter to make work the priest considers ugly. Malone describes Van Gogh as responding that sometimes he feels God made him a painter for people who have not yet been born. Malone takes the scene as a reason to keep working without immediate recognition. An artist may be making work for people who cannot yet understand it. The possibility that an audience will miss the layers is not a reason to become lazy.

That is how Malone says he approached the album: he tried to make it more musical and to disconnect from feedback and validation. He does not claim to know how it will be received. His point is that the artist’s obligation to do the work does not end when the audience fails to understand it immediately. The work may have to stand on its own before people can see the thinking behind it.

That outlook also makes room for an uncertain future. Malone expects he may make a second part of the album, but says that by then he may no longer be interested in being a rapper. He imagines being a husband and father and continuing with acting, if that path takes hold. If acting does not make him more famous, he says, he can accept that too. He wants to do work he is proud of and can stand behind, whether the next stage brings more recognition or more privacy.

For Malone, freedom includes money, but it is not exhausted by money. Williamson describes several kinds: the ability to stop working for a boss, the ability to choose where and how to live, and the freedom that comes from no longer needing everyone’s approval. He adds a family dimension: the reassurance of knowing that the people closest to you believe in you. Malone says he wants all three. He also argues that they support one another: money can provide options and protect a family, while a person still has to become functional enough to sustain relationships.

Williamson presses the idea of a kingdom beyond material security. A person can build wealth and a house without building psychological stability. Malone agrees that the external reflects the internal: a person’s conduct, choices and acquisitions reveal something about what is happening inside. The work is therefore internal, and often involves solitude.

He warns that people may surround themselves with friends because they fear the isolation involved in changing. They can worry that they have become unsociable or lost the ability to retain friendships, when the more difficult task is to face their own challenges. Malone thinks a person can become more valuable to a friendship group by going through that work and returning, rather than relying on the group to provide validation in place of it.

His account of success ends with a question of purpose. Malone says he has received much of what he wanted and is now asking what he is here to do, how he can help and how he can serve. Making it brought him options and a public platform. Maintaining it means deciding what those things are for—and building a life that can continue even when the original pursuit no longer fits.

The journey’s always an internal journey. And there’s no getting around that.
Bugzy Malone

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